Police advise to not chase property thiefs plus info about stand your ground and self defense laws

Manitoba
Headingley RCMP urging victims of theft not to pursue suspects

Warning comes after string of chases, including one that ended in crash: Headingley RCMP
CBC News · Posted: Sep 16, 2019 4:33 PM CT | Last Updated: September 16

Manitoba RCMP spokesperson Sgt. Paul Manaigre said pursuing a theft suspect can be risky — if confronted, they may use violence or weapons to avoid capture. (David Bell/CBC)

After a number of incidents where victims of theft have chased suspects down gravel roads to get their property back — including one instance that ended in a crash — Manitoba RCMP are warning people against the practice.

Over the last few weeks, Mounties in Headingley said they have responded to multiple reports of theft where the owners of stolen property were actively pursuing the people suspected of stealing it.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/rcmp-urges-theft-victims-1.5285794


Comments

Thanks for sharing this. I think the public are getting fed up with the lack of adequate response and prevention from police, all levels of government and the judiciary for violent, property and organized crimes.

It has taken up to 36 hrs or more to get police to attend to a reported break an enter. In at least one case with 911 call about active intruder they said no officers available yet in this case and others the TrapSpy app has reported many officers doing traffic “enforcment” within 15 mins or less away in the last 3 hrs or less. They have responded to peaceful protests about photo enforcement in engineering deficient locations on several occasions within 15 mins of operator calling and give out parking tickets that later get tossed by the Crown.

There is more police officers per capita in Winnipeg than anywhere in Canada and they among the highest paid and compensated. In 2014 the WPS was found to be the most overstaffed and inefficient police service in Canada. This ignored and things only got worse till the PC’s put pressure on the City to he more fiscally responsible. The police board and senior WPS response was to cut a few officers by chosing to close two serious crime units that were working with RCMP to tackle serious and organized crime.

The reoccuring issue with revolving doors of the justice and healthcare systems with some offenders in and out of police custody or jail several times a year and some needing hospitalization dozens of times a year.

There is known root issues and preventions being raised repeatedly by advocacy groups and concerned citizens that are being ignored.

It has been a string of unrealistic or idle promises and failed leaders in a swamp of incompetence, bloated bureaucracy, self or special interest serving, unethical influence and corruption.

Until more of the public take the time to sift through the propaganda and other false or misleading information to learn this and take meaningful actions collectively things will stay the same or continue to get worse which has been the trend in Manitoba and especially Winnipeg.

Here is how they do it in the USA

A Georgia man shot and killed 3 masked teens as they tried to rob him at his home, police say

By Christina Maxouris, CNN

Sept 17, 2019

https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/17/us/georgia-teen-would-be-robbers-shot/

I think you should be able to defend yourself, others and your property. You should be required to use reasonable force when doing so. At least one robber used a gun and apparently the property owner used an assault or rapid fire weapon. Is that reasonable? Maybe they could have injured the teens but not fatally.

As of 2016 this law hasn’t helped reduce violent or property crime in Geogia. Maybe there is economic and social issues at the root that need more attention. If your child gets mixed up with the wrong crowd and makes very poor choices would you want them mowed down like this? Maybe the parents were not good parents but maybe they were. Many cases of both out there when things like this happen.

“2016 when the state violent crime rate was higher than the national violent crime rate average by 0.12% and the state property crime rate was higher than the national property crime rate average by 22.59%.”

… but what if those “robbers” decided to do a little more than rob the house? Maybe the guy had a family he was protecting? They were armed. They could have done whatever they liked to the guy and his family if he wasn’t able to defend himself from armed intruders.

I never said he shouldn’t have defended. He should have. I asked if the force he used was reasonable. If it was an assault or rapid fire weapon is that reasonable?

I lived in Australia and the UK and visted other parts of Europe and NZ many times. The police do not normally carry a firearm on them and there is less police and public killed per capita.

The US doesn’t really have a significantly higher rate of crime compared to similar countries. But that crime is much likelier to be lethal: American criminals, police and other defenders just kill more people than do their counterparts in other developed countries. The reasons for this are many and guns or the type of and gun culture appear to be a big part of what makes this difference.

Here is some figures from 2012 just for homicides by firearm.

We have more guns per capita in Canada but less homicides by firearm.

Archive of CNN Story from above

A Georgia homeowner shot and killed three teens as they approached his residence with their faces covered, authorities said.

The masked teens — a 15-year-old and two 16-year-olds — approached three residents around 4 a.m. Monday at the front yard of a home just outside Conyers and tried to rob them, the Rockdale County Sheriff’s Office said.

One of the would-be robbers took out a gun and fired shots at them before one of the residents returned fire, authorities said.

“The victims of the attempted robbery were all uninjured, but the three attempted robbery suspects were all shot during the exchange of gunfire and succumbed to their injuries, one on scene and two at a local hospital after being transported,” the sheriff’s department said in a news release.

One neighbor heard someone asking for help, he told CNN affiliate WSB.
“I heard a guy yelling for help. ‘Help me, help me, I’m dying, I’m dying, help me, help me,” Brian Jenkins told the station.
Another neighbor ran out to help after he heard what sounded like five shots from a handgun, he said.

“Then I heard somebody have an assault rifle,” Carlos Watson told WSB. “And it was a slew of shots that came out.”

The teens’ names weren’t immediately released. They were from the area but did not live in the neighborhood they were in, the sheriff’s office said.

Investigators will look at self-defense and stand-your-ground laws

No arrests or charges were announced Monday.

An investigation is underway, and this could be a “stand-your-ground type of case,” Rockdale County Sheriff Eric Levett said Monday, referring to one component of Georgia’s self-defense laws.
Georgia’s self-defense laws say that someone generally can use deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to “prevent death or great bodily injury to himself or herself or a third person or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.” There are exceptions, including that the defender cannot have provoked the attack.

Georgia law also says anyone lawfully using force in self-defense does not have to retreat first, but rather has “the right to stand his or her ground and use force.”
Georgia is one of at least 25 states that say defenders don’t have to retreat from an attacker in a place where they’re lawfully present, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures.

At least 10 of those states, including Georgia, have self-defense laws specifically saying a person may “stand his or her ground,” the conference says.

Related Article: What you need to know about ‘stand your ground’ laws
https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/29/us/stand-your-ground-law-explainer-trnd/index.html

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