Police advise to not chase property thiefs plus info about stand your ground and self defense laws

Headingley RCMP urging victims of theft not to pursue suspects

Warning comes after string of chases, including one that ended in crash: Headingley RCMP
CBC News · Posted: Sep 16, 2019 4:33 PM CT | Last Updated: September 16

Manitoba RCMP spokesperson Sgt. Paul Manaigre said pursuing a theft suspect can be risky — if confronted, they may use violence or weapons to avoid capture. (David Bell/CBC)

After a number of incidents where victims of theft have chased suspects down gravel roads to get their property back — including one instance that ended in a crash — Manitoba RCMP are warning people against the practice.

Over the last few weeks, Mounties in Headingley said they have responded to multiple reports of theft where the owners of stolen property were actively pursuing the people suspected of stealing it.



Thanks for sharing this. I think the public are getting fed up with the lack of adequate response and prevention from police, all levels of government and the judiciary for violent, property and organized crimes.

It has taken up to 36 hrs or more to get police to attend to a reported break an enter. In at least one case with 911 call about active intruder they said no officers available yet in this case and others the TrapSpy app has reported many officers doing traffic “enforcment” within 15 mins or less away in the last 3 hrs or less. They have responded to peaceful protests about photo enforcement in engineering deficient locations on several occasions within 15 mins of operator calling and give out parking tickets that later get tossed by the Crown.

There is more police officers per capita in Winnipeg than anywhere in Canada and they among the highest paid and compensated. In 2014 the WPS was found to be the most overstaffed and inefficient police service in Canada. This ignored and things only got worse till the PC’s put pressure on the City to he more fiscally responsible. The police board and senior WPS response was to cut a few officers by chosing to close two serious crime units that were working with RCMP to tackle serious and organized crime.

The reoccuring issue with revolving doors of the justice and healthcare systems with some offenders in and out of police custody or jail several times a year and some needing hospitalization dozens of times a year.

There is known root issues and preventions being raised repeatedly by advocacy groups and concerned citizens that are being ignored.

It has been a string of unrealistic or idle promises and failed leaders in a swamp of incompetence, bloated bureaucracy, self or special interest serving, unethical influence and corruption.

Until more of the public take the time to sift through the propaganda and other false or misleading information to learn this and take meaningful actions collectively things will stay the same or continue to get worse which has been the trend in Manitoba and especially Winnipeg.

Here is how they do it in the USA

A Georgia man shot and killed 3 masked teens as they tried to rob him at his home, police say

By Christina Maxouris, CNN

Sept 17, 2019


I think you should be able to defend yourself, others and your property. You should be required to use reasonable force when doing so. At least one robber used a gun and apparently the property owner used an assault or rapid fire weapon. Is that reasonable? Maybe they could have injured the teens but not fatally.

As of 2016 this law hasn’t helped reduce violent or property crime in Geogia. Maybe there is economic and social issues at the root that need more attention. If your child gets mixed up with the wrong crowd and makes very poor choices would you want them mowed down like this? Maybe the parents were not good parents but maybe they were. Many cases of both out there when things like this happen.

“2016 when the state violent crime rate was higher than the national violent crime rate average by 0.12% and the state property crime rate was higher than the national property crime rate average by 22.59%.”

… but what if those “robbers” decided to do a little more than rob the house? Maybe the guy had a family he was protecting? They were armed. They could have done whatever they liked to the guy and his family if he wasn’t able to defend himself from armed intruders.

I never said he shouldn’t have defended. He should have. I asked if the force he used was reasonable. If it was an assault or rapid fire weapon is that reasonable?

I lived in Australia and the UK and visted other parts of Europe and NZ many times. The police do not normally carry a firearm on them and there is less police and public killed per capita.

The US doesn’t really have a significantly higher rate of crime compared to similar countries. But that crime is much likelier to be lethal: American criminals, police and other defenders just kill more people than do their counterparts in other developed countries. The reasons for this are many and guns or the type of and gun culture appear to be a big part of what makes this difference.

Here is some figures from 2012 just for homicides by firearm.

We have more guns per capita in Canada but less homicides by firearm.

Archive of CNN Story from above

A Georgia homeowner shot and killed three teens as they approached his residence with their faces covered, authorities said.

The masked teens — a 15-year-old and two 16-year-olds — approached three residents around 4 a.m. Monday at the front yard of a home just outside Conyers and tried to rob them, the Rockdale County Sheriff’s Office said.

One of the would-be robbers took out a gun and fired shots at them before one of the residents returned fire, authorities said.

“The victims of the attempted robbery were all uninjured, but the three attempted robbery suspects were all shot during the exchange of gunfire and succumbed to their injuries, one on scene and two at a local hospital after being transported,” the sheriff’s department said in a news release.

One neighbor heard someone asking for help, he told CNN affiliate WSB.
“I heard a guy yelling for help. ‘Help me, help me, I’m dying, I’m dying, help me, help me,” Brian Jenkins told the station.
Another neighbor ran out to help after he heard what sounded like five shots from a handgun, he said.

“Then I heard somebody have an assault rifle,” Carlos Watson told WSB. “And it was a slew of shots that came out.”

The teens’ names weren’t immediately released. They were from the area but did not live in the neighborhood they were in, the sheriff’s office said.

Investigators will look at self-defense and stand-your-ground laws

No arrests or charges were announced Monday.

An investigation is underway, and this could be a “stand-your-ground type of case,” Rockdale County Sheriff Eric Levett said Monday, referring to one component of Georgia’s self-defense laws.
Georgia’s self-defense laws say that someone generally can use deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to “prevent death or great bodily injury to himself or herself or a third person or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.” There are exceptions, including that the defender cannot have provoked the attack.

Georgia law also says anyone lawfully using force in self-defense does not have to retreat first, but rather has “the right to stand his or her ground and use force.”
Georgia is one of at least 25 states that say defenders don’t have to retreat from an attacker in a place where they’re lawfully present, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures.

At least 10 of those states, including Georgia, have self-defense laws specifically saying a person may “stand his or her ground,” the conference says.

Related Article: What you need to know about ‘stand your ground’ laws

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The Sackler family own the embroiled Pardue Pharma who wants to cut a deal to avoid criminal prosecution


The Sackler’s worth an estimated $13 Billion or more if including the billions they accused of hiding offshore. Purdue is accused of fuelling the US opioid crisis through nefarious means of promoting and selling drugs like OxyContin.

“Purdue is currently facing legal action brought by more than 2,000 plaintiffs, including almost two dozen US states.”

“According to the draft settlement agreement, the Sacklers are expected to give up control of Purdue Pharma and personally contribute $3bn to the settlement.
The company would then file for bankruptcy, dissolve and reform, and would be removed from next month’s legal proceedings.”

“It would allow the Sackler family to walk away billionaires and admit no wrongdoing,”

The Sacklers have argued they were passive board members of Purdue Pharma, who approved routine management requests and were not involved with the marketing of OxyContin.

I think the corporation and those who lead it should face criminal charges but with the best and most trusted Crown prosecutors, adequate funding and most trusted and unbiased Judges if they even exist. Then if convicticted go after the Billions in proceeds of crimes including seeking cooperation from the international community and courts for offshore funds.

The US, Canadian and authorities in other countries involved should also investigate the failures or corruption in regulation and enforcement that allowed this crisis to develop and continue for so long.

Is that utopian thinking? It may not be if enough of the public took meaningful actions even if they not from the tens of millions directly affected.

Sackler family ‘funnelled $1bn into different bank accounts’ – BBC News
14 September 2019 US & Canada


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Some of what they know and don’t know vaping illness without all the hysteria

Facts About The Mysterious Vaping Illness

What to know about this serious, vape-associated lung problem striking healthy young people.

SEP 11, 2019



In some cases the illness and hospilizations appear to be linked to toxic additives in low quality vape liquids with THC from bootleg suppliers on the street, in China or elsewhere. Some have extremely harmful to inhale Vitamin E acetate.

Regardless many doctors and reputable scientists are recommending to not vape at all and if trying to quit smoking use the patches and other safe methods they recommend.

Many in the media are still running with this with fear mongeringand alarmist reports.

Some info from the CDC and Health Canada about this.

“To date, no single substance or e-cigarette product has been consistently associated with illness,” the CDC reported at the end of August. It has epidemiologists trying to crack the case.

There’s a possible connection to using e-cigarettes or vape pens to consume cannabis-derived products, but neither the CDC nor Health Canada is certain that’s the cause.

Canadians are reminded that the purchase of vaping products outside the legal market may create additional risk as these products are unregulated and potentially unsafe,


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Corporate political donations via third parties influencing elections

Why do so many in the public focus on corruption or accused corruption of those in power but ignore it from those that seek to replace them or the ones who influence whoever will do their bidding at the time.

The hole system is flawed and influenced by those with self and special interests that most often come at a cost to the public.

If the effort put into playing in this charade put towards exposing the systemic issues and meaningful reforms we wouldn’t have failing governments that do more harm than good every four to eight years.

Just some of the recent examples. There is many for current and previous governments, parties, leaders etc…

Money began to rain on Trudeau Foundation once Justin took over Liberals, analysis shows
Claire Brownell and Zane Schwartz
Dec 12, 2016
Last Updated Dec14, 2016


Ontario Proud, Canada Proud, BC Proud third party corporate funding plus attack ads in Ontario, BC, Alberta and Federal elections.


Canadians may never know the details of an elaborate scheme orchestrated by engineering giant SNC Lavalin to funnel more than $117,000 to the federal liberal and conservative parties after one of the key players quietly pleaded guilty a few weeks ago.

Normand Morin, the 76-year-old former vice-president of the company, took advantage of a routine court appearance in late November to plead guilty to two of five charges of contravening Canada’s election financing rules. The prosecution dropped the remaining three charges.

Morin was given 60 days to pay a meager $2,000 in fines



This even a bigger issue in the US since the Citizens United decision.


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Political distrust and loss of confidence

Record low turn out in the Manitoba Election Sept 2019 plus near record number of declined or spoiled ballots and both trending in the wrong direction.

This demonstrates that almost 50% think it a waste of time, their representative is just a puppet or have lost confidence and trust in our politicians, parties and systems to the point none of the above is a better choice.

Enough declined and spoiled last and this time that it sends a clear message that they need to make meaningful changes to restore voters confidence, trust and participation.

I hope they do not ignore this again.

Registered Voters: 853,377
Votes Cast: 472,575
Rejected: 2,152
Declined: 1,106
Turnout: 55.4 %

Number of Electoral Divisions Reporting:
57 /57


Related post from last MB Election below or by searching for election


Riddle me this. What would happen if 100% voted? We would still have the same shite system with the same corrupt politicians. You can’t trade captains and expect the league to change.

Maybe if politicians WOULD be charged with fraud for not sticking to what they promised in their platforms more people like me would vote.

The entire system is flawed. Voting in it just makes us sheep. The government needs to be over thrown and something more akin to star trek needs to be installed. The world needs to work together. Not just provinces and states.

Be careful with utopian ideas as the far right will scream about One World gov, UN overreaching, ineffectiveness and corruption.

Human genetics to some degree, greed, and power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

There needs to be balance in all areas and slowish changes unless the risks and impacts (based on trusted facts) of not changing faster are too great.

These comments and possibly more here:

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How algorithms create a ‘digital underclass’ and reliance on technology over human imagination

Princeton sociologist Ruha Benjamin argues bias is encoded in new tech
Posted: September 04, 2019
Last Updated: September 04, 2019

Sociologist Ruha Benjamin argues in her book, Race After Technology, that the use of technology has the capability to enforce discrimination while appearing neutral. (Shutterstock / maxuser)

In this episode called Technical Salvation, Ideas host, Nahlah Ayed, talks with Princeton sociologist, Dr. Ruha Benjamin. Together, they explore her argument that technology reproduces the same kind of racial segregation we see in our physical world.

There is an assumption that technology, unlike people, is unbiased, neutral, and objective. As cuts to public schools make hiring more teachers an impossibility in struggling districts, school boards are turning to tablets and apps to replace human instructors but apparently forgetting that student-teacher interactions are a key component of learning.

‘We put so much investment in being saved by these objects we create, by these technologies. But our real resource is ourselves.’


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University is not a harder version of high school (and more first-timer advice) – The Globe and Mail




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